Posts by moggy lover

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Transcript Of My KH's Discussion Of Sept. 2007 KM QFR

by Justitia Themis in

elder.

bro.

moggy lover

Thanks a lot for your well written and objective report. You did not intrude into the commentary by inserting your own conclusions, leaving us to decide this for ourselves.

Great work.

Cheers

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NWT on WT CD 2006

by erynw in

is this version the same as the interlinear version?

Remember that there are two editions of the KIT. The first was published in 1969, and is now out of print. The second edition was released in 1985 and is still available, though difficult to obtain. The English text of the KIT 2 is the same as the NWT which is available on-line and on the WT CD.

The 1984/85 edition of the NWT is now the official standardized version, since with the death of Milton Henschell all the former members of the original Translation Committee of 1950 are now deceased. This naturally means that no further revisions can be made.

Cheers

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Want all the Watchtowers from 1897-1950, 3GB free?

by MinisterAmos in

watchtower bible and tract society - jehovah's witnesses watchtower publications - 1879 to 1949 .

check out this link boys and girls..... .

http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3539484/watchtower_bible_and_tract_society_-_jehovah_s_witnesses_-_wa

moggy lover

Sorry, MA but there seems to be a language problem. The site appears to be originally German, and the instructions are unintelligible. The pdf files for the various magazines are visible but do not appear to be downloadable. In other words you can't click 'em.

Is there some magic wand needed to untangle this?

Cheers

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Come Be My Follower!--PDF--(searchable)!

by Atlantis in

come be my follower!--pdf--2007--(searchable, approx 23mb) (credit goes to: "two anonymous jwders") click the link below and when the next page appears scroll down and look to your left for these words: (download description education), the download link will appear under those words when the (seconds) count down to zero.

http://www.verzend.be/v/4136217/2007_come_be_my_follower_searchable_.pdf.html another download link: click the link below and when the next page appears scroll down until you see a (green box), counting seconds down to zero.

then click that (green box) when you see the words (download file) http://www.megaphile.com/file/9693/2007---come-be-my-follower--searchable--pdf.html cheers!

moggy lover

Thanks for the hard work as usual, Atlantis. We have the book before many in Australia have!!

Who sez we ain't organized then ?

Cheers

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Has any one else gone through chemo would like to compare notes

by lapweaver in

i'm going through chemo right now , just had no.

3 of 4 treatments, i would like to talk to others who have or know someone who has.. had started to lose hair on day 15, mostly day 3,4,and 5 after treatments i ache like a bad case of flu and have to stay in bed don't even feel much like tv.

the meds keep away the neasua, very fatigued.. i know there are others that have it alot worse then me, so i'm not complaining just want to know if anyone else would like to talk about it..

moggy lover

As a consequence of being diagnosed with bowel cancer in 1996 aged 54, I had to undergo a six month chemotherapy session. I had to wait for 16 weeks after the operation itself when my descending colon was removed. The session ran for ten days each month, divided into two five day sessions. In the first week I had the sessions Mon-Fri when the chemical "cocktail" was injected into my arms through a vein in wrist. The second week I had off, and the third week saw a repeat performance, with the next again being free.

This carried on for six months, with two somewhat different reactions than yours. For different cancers they use different chemical combinations or "cocktails" and mine was a combination that did not cause any hair loss [not that that is of any use to me since I'm pretty bald meself] however the reactions were uncomfortable enough nonetheless. First it caused a discoloration of my skin. The left side of my face for instance got deeply tanned [that was the side I was injected - the left wrist] while my right side was not. It gave me the odd look of a person who had fallen asleep on the beach on one side. This was explained in terms of the chemical, while traveling through the very fine capillaries in the face, leaving behind this coloration. Why it only effected one side was unknown.

There was also an unbearable drying up of the skin, especially in those areas of the armpits and the crotch. I had this agonizing feeling that I was wearing underpants at least four sizes too small. Oddly enough, applying creams and lotions were no help, since the problem was internal. The solution was to have a diet that was rich in agents that provided a counterbalance to the chemicals that had effected the internal moisture sacs. Like yogurt.

The good thing about this treatment, severe as it is while it goes on, is that these reactions disappear immediately on the termination of the treatment. The hair for instance grows back the minute the chemo terminates.

Cheers

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Goodbye, my sweet sister

by sweetface2233 in

jw
friends

i was raised as a witness and have been miserable for my entire existence.

i have hated every moment of it.

after about 10 years of struggling, i decided 2 years ago that i was done w/ the charade and wasn't going to return to the meetings.

moggy lover

Hi, SF and welcome to JWD. You have possibly taken, with the sole exception of a marriage vow, the most important step in your young life. It takes courage, resolution and a strong sense of awareness to make a decision such as leaving one's religion on grounds of personal conviction. There will be no going back, for what has been done will engender permanent emotional and psychological tremors in the deepest part of your psyche, which will last for as long as memory itself does. But it is for the good, for now, having discovered an awful truth about religions that promise so much but give nothing, you can benefit from an enhanced sense of maturity, that will characterize the rest of your life.

Go forward into the new dawn, for there is one waiting to unfurl, and rejoice in the unfettered freedom that life affords. You have begun to live anew, ennobled by your experiences, and your contributions to the world's stage awaits you. As does JWD. You have new friends here, raucous perhaps, but, who like you also have come to experience liberty in free expression. Here thinking is allowed, so think aloud. Not just your voice but your mind is welcome.

Be not harsh on your sister. Many cannot see the restrictive bonds that the WTS puts in place. In order for repression to succeed it must have a phalanx of deceptive order, as if marching tirelessly in step, for good or ill, is a portend of religious fellowship. Those such as she have been encouraged by the monstrous leadership of this system, to have this almost superstitious conviction that a malevolent fate, invested with divine wrath, awaits one who defects.

Rather await the day that her own eyes may be opened.

Cheers

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Sad News Orangefatcat's husband died this morning.

by orangefatcat in

jw
friends

this is one of the sadest days in my life, my beloved husband marco passed away this morning at 5:15 am.. it has been a dreadful day.

but my dear friend was with most of the day while we went togerther to make funeral arrangements.. that was really hard on me.

i have done nothing but cry and cry all day, i finally fell asleep a few hours ago while my friend diane was here and she let me sleep.

moggy lover

Deepest condolences.

You will always have friends on JWD, even here Down Under

Cheers

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let's create our own cult. join here.

by DeusMauzzim in

jw
friends

l.s.. i hereby invite all who are worthy to join the ancient and mysterious hermetic order of bethelites.

we have been working from the shadows of bethel, sealing the watchtower teachings with the ancient knowledge of hermes trismegistus, as handed over to us from the time of joseph, the servant of yah.

you can find more info here:.

moggy lover

Sorry mate, can't join.

I'm already the Grand Mufti and Supa Ooperdooh of the First Feline Order of the Epistled Apostles.......

Or is it Supa Dooper Doo of the Reformed First Feline Order of the Apostled Epistles?

Its the light you see.... It keeps getting brighter, 'n' I can never remember the nomemclature.

Now lets see....Tomorrow we'll be.......

Cheers

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I HAVE TO MOVE ON...............

by juni in

jw
friends

i've met some wonderful friends here at this forum, but it's time for me to put the jw religion to rest.

it will be 15 years this october that i daed myself which in retrospect i wish i wouldn't have done as there are some former sisters who i would love to give a big hug and talk with who are in pain mentally, but i can't.

i agreed to their "rules" when i was baptized.

moggy lover

Thanks for your warm friendship all this time. Have one for the road

Cheers

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"Crisis of Conscious" question

by monophonic in

since my copy of the book, eh hum, found its way into the garbage and i need to purchase another copy i can't reference it at the moment.. .

can someone clarify for me, in the malawi and mexico chapter(s), 1) the jws were a cultural institution in order for the society to be able to own real estate and if they were a religion, then they wouldn't own the property, or something close to that, right?

2) most importantly, were there some big real estate transactions happening in mexico during the malawi massacre where the society didn't want to do anything to rock the boat on those?

moggy lover

Evidently there were two separate issues involved that Ray was getting at.

1 The issue of paper forms that exempted people from certain activities. On the one hand the WTS refused to allow the Malawians to either purchase, or by bribes obtain, certain identity cards that would exempt them from political and national obligations. Reasoning that this was somehow "political" the WTS barred the Malawian R&F from doing this, resulting in the appallingly brutal treatment meted out to them by the government, which had dictated it to be compulsory to hold these cards, except on grounds approved by the government

At the same time,male Mexican followers of the WTS were permitted to either buy, or bribe their way into obtaining a medical exemption from military service. In this regard Franz published a letter from the GB dated 6 Sept 1969, saying, to the effect, that the matter was left up to the conscience of the resident members. By the clever use of semantics, which the WTS is renowned for, the word "bribes" was avoided, with the amusing euphemism, "financial transactions" employed, as if by this stratagem dishonesty was being sanctioned by divine fiat.

This grotesque double standard, which resulted in such misery, was never either, acknowledged or even apologized for, by the WTS leadership. In fact this exposure brought their permanent bitterness to wards Ray.

2 The second issue concerns Mexico in particular. Because of a long history of what it perceives as Church exploitation, particularly on the part of the Roman Catholic Church which at one time held, tax free, large tracts of land, a law was passed forbidding any Religion from holding property. All religious property must be leased from the government, which is what most honest Religions do in Mexico. However Jehoover's organization is so "honest" that it refuses to do this. They have institutionalized themselves as a "cultural" organization, under the name of "La Torre del Vigia" Being a "cultural organization, they do not worship jehover in Mexico. No prayers are permitted at the meetings and no songs sung. But then of course the pseudo-intellectual mumbo jumbo that is characteristic of WT "cultural" meetings worldwide hardly makes a difference.

To the WTS the main thing is that they own property in the country, and as anyone who has invested in bricks and mortar knows, this investment can only increase in value, and profit [See Pgs 130-133 COC the 1985 ed]

It is pertinent to point out another brazenly dishonest tactic that the WTS uses to induct its missionaries into many Latin American countries, and which is evidence of another double standard. This is not mentioned in COC, but is given prominence by Ray in his second book ISOCF.

As we all know, several Mexicans, in the hope of a better life have crossed the USA border as "illegals" and have continued to stay on in America. Now when these become baptized followers of the WTS, the males are cautioned that considering their circumstances, they are not permitted to become either elders or MSs in the local congregations, because, the Leadership "reasons"- they are "living a lie". If they wish to have positions of authority in the movement they must give up their jobs, homes, and in may cases, their business and return to Mexico. In this way, apparently, the "lie" is propitiated.

However the WTS itself refuses to pursue this lofty standard. They have found that several Latin American countries do not, for reasons best known to themselves allow US missionaries into the country, unless the work includes some charitable work, like the building of schools, or hospitals, etc, which other religions comply with. Not of course jehhoovers honest to goodness organization. What they do is this:

They contact a local follower of the movement, who "agrees" to "employ" the missionaries concerned. So they come into the country, not as religious missionaries but workers on a "work permit" The original participant in this scheme need not ever meet the missionaries, but they get in contact with the national branch HQ, who assign them a territory to preach. Throughout this charade the missionaries give the impression that their religious activity is merely a part time activity, their non existent "work" being their mainstay. That this is also "living a lie" seems to escape the mindset of the WTS Leadership.

Sometimes missionaries enter the designated country on six month "tourist" visas, on the expiry of which they exit the country from frontier town for the requisite two days, then reenter to stay for another six months. Franz recounts that many have in this way lived in their target countries for several decades.[Pgs 282-284 ISOCF]

Ultimately it is financial greed an expediency that dictate the values of this supposedly "holy" organization, and not godly conduct. This exposes them as charlatans and morally bankrupt failures.

Hope this helps

Cheers